Mike Moody: Hey, you're listening to TV Eye on Marvel, a Marvel TV podcast,
Mike Moody: and we are your heroes for hire.
Mike Moody: My name is Mike. With me today is Nate Bliss.
Nate Bliss: Hello.
Mike Moody: And Martin Thomas.
Martin Thomas: Hi there.
Mike Moody: Okay, so today we're diving into the premiere of Marvel's Luke Cage on Netflix.
Mike Moody: But first, let's take a sec to talk about what we're doing with this podcast
Mike Moody: now over the next several episodes, because we're kind of transitioning.
Mike Moody: Transitioning. Some of you listening may have been listeners of the TV Eye podcast,
Mike Moody: which Nate and I did for about a year.
Mike Moody: It was sort of our first plunge into podcasting. And as you've probably noticed,
Mike Moody: we've rebranded. We're TV Eye on Marvel now.
Mike Moody: Like Steve Rogers sipping on that super serum, you know?
Martin Thomas: Did he sip on it?
Mike Moody: He sipped on it.
Martin Thomas: I always thought he was more injected into it. Or even, so, though it's a giant
Martin Thomas: test tube, I never got the impression that he sipped it.
Nate Bliss: Just kind of casually.
Martin Thomas: Like a fine mint tea.
Mike Moody: Just on a bad day when he's feeling kind of tired, he's like,
Mike Moody: I'm going to get some of that super serum, man. He's hiding in the bathroom,
Mike Moody: sipping on that canister.
Nate Bliss: Agent Carter heating it up like a pot of tea. Oh, Dr. Erskine, you make the best.
Mike Moody: All right. So, yeah, like Steve, we are a stronger, taller, chestier version of what we once were.
Mike Moody: All right. That weak-ass analogy aside, we are now TV Eye on Marvel.
Mike Moody: And we'll be covering the Marvel Netflix TV shows exclusively,
Mike Moody: starting with an in-depth episode review of all 13 episodes of Marvel's Luke
Mike Moody: Cage, which premiered September 30th.
Mike Moody: Now, we're not going to fanboy out too much.
Nate Bliss: Not too much.
Mike Moody: Not too much. Martin's a critic. I'm a critic. You're Nate.
Nate Bliss: I'm just a geek.
Mike Moody: You're a guy.
Nate Bliss: Just an over-exuberant, nerdy guy.
Mike Moody: But, you know, we are going to celebrate the shows because we do like them.
Mike Moody: But you know If there's stuff we don't like Just like I do on Mr.
Mike Moody: Roboto We're going to talk about that.
Martin Thomas: Too Wait do you catch flack When you mention the stuff You don't like Oh sometimes Not a lot.
Mike Moody: But it's fine.
Martin Thomas: Oh uh oh Oh this is going to be Okay go ahead.
Mike Moody: Oh a good teaser.
Martin Thomas: Yeah Yeah.
Mike Moody: I like this premiere a lot, and I think it's a great piece of auteur television.
Mike Moody: But before we get into it further, let's introduce ourselves a little further.
Mike Moody: All right. Just to let the listeners know who's talking here.
Mike Moody: So, Martin, what the hell are you doing here?
Martin Thomas: Oh, well, I'm here because you invited me. I assume you invited me because,
Martin Thomas: yes, I've been podcasting for quite a while.
Martin Thomas: At least podcasting probably like the last 10 years.
Martin Thomas: And before that, part of a movie review show that ran for 10 years on AXS TV.
Martin Thomas: So it's been just about 20 years for me talking about pop culture and media.
Mike Moody: Yeah, you rolled in on your wheelchair tonight, and it was good.
Martin Thomas: Pretty much. Worked in the comic industry, even reading comics since I was six years old.
Martin Thomas: I'm not going to tell you how long that is, but it's been a long time, let me tell you.
Martin Thomas: And I figure, hey, if anybody's going to come here and talk about this thing, why not me?
Mike Moody: Nate, same question.
Nate Bliss: Well, I've been podcasting for a little while. Well, but like as listeners,
Nate Bliss: people who have come from TV, I probably know I was definitely the more, the gushy one.
Nate Bliss: Whereas Mike was the more like, well, let's talk about how the episode is structured.
Mike Moody: I was the boring one. You're the fun one. Now there's two fun ones and I'm still the boring one.
Nate Bliss: But I mean, but I've also been reading comics since I was like in short pants.
Martin Thomas: Yeah.
Nate Bliss: And, and.
Mike Moody: Since you were sipping on that super serum as a kid.
Nate Bliss: Yeah. Yeah. Well, we had like, you know. So...
Mike Moody: It's done wonders for your chest.
Nate Bliss: But most of all, I'm just incredibly... I mean, I love the Marvel movies,
Nate Bliss: but the Netflix shows for me have been so...
Nate Bliss: Good. They've been my favorite Marvel televised, filmed, or otherwise, products.
Mike Moody: Right on.
Nate Bliss: Products.
Mike Moody: Products?
Nate Bliss: Products. Things? They're products. Yeah.
Mike Moody: I guess they're products.
Nate Bliss: They're items that are available.
Mike Moody: Pieces of storytelling.
Nate Bliss: Yes.
Mike Moody: Yeah.
Nate Bliss: Yes.
Martin Thomas: These are better than all of their other, one other TV thing.
Nate Bliss: Yes.
Mike Moody: Yeah. Well, there was Agent Carter, which wasn't bad, but these are better.
Nate Bliss: Yeah, that's true.
Mike Moody: Yeah, these are better. Okay, so me, I'm a recovering TV critic.
Mike Moody: I've written for Birth, Movies, Death, AOL TV, Huffington Post,
Mike Moody: Moviefone, other sites that I don't want to mention because they're terrible.
Mike Moody: Several newspapers. I co-host a Mr. Roboto podcast, like you guys know.
Mike Moody: I absolutely love TV, which I think is obvious.
Mike Moody: I'm interested in covering shows that really matter.
Nate Bliss: Okay?
Mike Moody: Like Mr. Robot. And I think Luke Cage, like Mr. Robot, is poised to be maybe
Mike Moody: one of those essential shows of this current wave of progressive television.
Mike Moody: This socially aware TV we're getting, especially with this TV season. I mean, we have Atlanta.
Martin Thomas: Yeah.
Nate Bliss: Holy cow, yeah.
Mike Moody: Atlanta. Luke Cage. I heard Queen Sugar's up there, too. Haven't seen it yet.
Mike Moody: But I can't wait to dig into Luke Cage.
Mike Moody: Oh, and I love me some Marvel comics and the Marvel movies. So I think everyone
Mike Moody: in the world backs me up on that one.
Mike Moody: Okay, so Luke Cage, season one, episode one, Moment of Truth,
Mike Moody: named after one of my favorite gangstar songs.
Martin Thomas: Yeah.
Mike Moody: So this episode was a strong, slow jam, if there ever was one.
Mike Moody: And I can't wait to see what the show plays next. That's my one sentence takeaway.
Nate Bliss: Okay.
Mike Moody: Martin, quick takeaway from the first episode.
Martin Thomas: Quick takeaway, naming the episodes after gangstar titles, that's really cool.
Mike Moody: Yeah.
Martin Thomas: The music's great. I love having a cameo from Raphael Sadiq singing on stage.
Mike Moody: Tony has done it again.
Nate Bliss: Right, right.
Martin Thomas: Mike Coulter, he's great. He
Martin Thomas: has a lot of charisma, so he captures my attention the whole time he's on.
Martin Thomas: Everything else about this show, I don't like at all.
Nate Bliss: Wow.
Mike Moody: I think I know where you're going. Nate, first, give me your one-sentence review, your first take.
Nate Bliss: Well— On the pilot.
Mike Moody: I know you've watched more. Yeah, a couple episodes. You've watched like three or four?
Martin Thomas: I've watched the first three.
Mike Moody: Okay, I've only watched the first one, so we're just talking about the pilot.
Mike Moody: Right. When you're watching this pilot, were you like, bam, I'm in, or what'd you feel?
Nate Bliss: As I was watching it, because there have been Daredevil and Jessica Jones so
Nate Bliss: far, I've been kind of thinking, all right, here's a new creative team,
Nate Bliss: obviously a new cast, there are a couple returning characters and stuff.
Nate Bliss: But I was struck that Daredevil and Jessica Jones, kind of from the get-go,
Nate Bliss: were tense and automatically, it was high octane right from the start.
Nate Bliss: And once I realized, okay, they're going for a slower start.
Nate Bliss: With Daredevil, Murdoch was already very poised. He's already running out at
Nate Bliss: night and beating people up.
Nate Bliss: Jessica Jones is already a private eye, and she's very invested in these cases that come up.
Mike Moody: She's into some shit, but Luke is hanging back.
Nate Bliss: Luke is very much hanging back. He, cause I mean, especially after what happened
Nate Bliss: to him and Jessica Jones, where it's like, he stuck his neck out and then he
Nate Bliss: gets, you know, led around by mind controlling Dr. Who.
Nate Bliss: And, and, and like Luke lost bad in Jessica Jones.
Nate Bliss: I mean, he was, so coming right off of that, I mean, he does not want to stick his head out.
Nate Bliss: but as far as like my quick takeaway before i go into much of a tangent and
Nate Bliss: stuff it was just kind of adjusting to all right it's going to be a slower start
Nate Bliss: and it's not going to be a sprint from the first episode i.
Martin Thomas: Like mike coulter in the show because he he
Martin Thomas: delivers his lines well he has just a natural charisma about him just he's he's
Martin Thomas: good looking he looks like he means what he says right um while he plays this
Martin Thomas: well i was going back and reading a bunch of luke cage comics And the thing
Martin Thomas: about Luke Cage was that he was always a larger-than-life character, not just physically.
Martin Thomas: the way he talked. Luke Cage always talked a lot of shit.
Mike Moody: He did.
Martin Thomas: I mean, he was constantly running his mouth. He could back it up.
Martin Thomas: And at first he was kind of like a blaxploitation sort of cartoon.
Martin Thomas: And then in later incarnations, they pulled back.
Martin Thomas: But he never was somebody who didn't run his mouth constantly,
Martin Thomas: where he was in everybody's face.
Martin Thomas: And just going back and reading those comics and thinking about this first episode,
Martin Thomas: I'm like, man, it's really missing that. it's missing that thing that makes
Martin Thomas: him actually luke cage i mean he's cool they're going a different direction
Martin Thomas: and that's fine yeah but i'm just acknowledging that it's still not really luke cage.
Mike Moody: But it is the beginning of luke cage show so maybe we'll
Mike Moody: get there we still haven't gotten the origin we still haven't gotten the you
Mike Moody: know he's at the end of this episode we do see him jump into the action yes
Mike Moody: and we do see him talk a little shit right But he's not Black Exploitation from the 70s Luke Cage.
Martin Thomas: No.
Mike Moody: But he's more in line, because my Luke Cage, and I read, recently I read about
Mike Moody: three of those original Luke Cage comics from the 70s. The first ones,
Mike Moody: right? And I liked them. They're good.
Mike Moody: But the Luke Cage that I really like is the New Avengers Luke Cage.
Martin Thomas: Oh, yeah.
Mike Moody: No, it's a great Luke Cage. Or the Jessica Jones, the alias Luke Cage.
Mike Moody: Right. Which I think Colter is kind of playing a little bit.
Martin Thomas: Yeah. I think so. He's a lot more like he was in the Alias comic.
Martin Thomas: The funny thing is, Luke Cage, he had been that blaxploitation character,
Martin Thomas: and then they brought him back where he had kind of a red shirt,
Martin Thomas: but he still had the bands, and he was a bit more serious.
Mike Moody: In the 90s.
Martin Thomas: Yeah, in the 90s. And it wasn't until there was that miniseries Cage where Richard
Martin Thomas: Corbin, like the last person I thought would draw a Luke Cage story,
Martin Thomas: drew him, and he had more of the look he has in the Avengers where he wore the
Martin Thomas: knit hat and just regular street clothes.
Martin Thomas: Bald head Yeah bald Yeah bald head Regular street clothes And then he just Kind
Martin Thomas: of disappeared Until he popped up In Jessica Jones Yeah And after that Boom
Martin Thomas: He's all It's almost like He is the new Avengers Right Always make sure He's
Martin Thomas: in there And Brian Michael Bendis Uses him to Writes him to great effect Yes.
Mike Moody: He does And.
Martin Thomas: There's just Some of that That I wish was in the show Some of the sass Yeah
Martin Thomas: the sass Gotcha That's exactly What I'm looking for The sass Yeah Sassy Yeah
Martin Thomas: I want him To open up some Let us Because Daredevil hit the ground running,
Martin Thomas: and he's in a fight right off the bat.
Martin Thomas: With Jessica Jones, even though the Killgrave stuff came in a few episodes in,
Martin Thomas: we're introduced to her, and she's a train wreck.
Martin Thomas: It's so rare that you're asked to follow such a damaged character.
Martin Thomas: She's an anti-hero to herself.
Nate Bliss: That's true.
Mike Moody: That was incredibly compelling from the start.
Martin Thomas: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And I'm just finding with Luke Cage so far,
Martin Thomas: As much as it's the culture, it's also the culture of a lot of cliches from black movies.
Martin Thomas: See, I don't know how many of the barbershops you guys, the barbershop movies
Martin Thomas: you've watched and Soul Food and Tyler Perry, this and that.
Martin Thomas: I've seen a lot. And I'm just seeing too many of the cliches pop up here.
Martin Thomas: And I keep hoping one will get turned on its ear, but it's sort of not.
Mike Moody: Yeah. There's lots of tropes going on here.
Martin Thomas: Yeah.
Mike Moody: Especially in this first episode, because as good as Mike Coulter is,
Mike Moody: as good as Alfred Woodard is, as good as a lot of these characters or actors
Mike Moody: are, the story largely, in a broad sense, relies on kind of old, boring tropes.
Mike Moody: You have the reluctant hero, the troubled neighborhood, the rising gangster
Mike Moody: with a messiah complex, right?
Mike Moody: Working his political connections, a corrupt politician, the beat cops working the case, right?
Mike Moody: These are tropes we've seen a million times before.
Martin Thomas: The old father figure.
Mike Moody: There you go.
Martin Thomas: Who you know is destined to die.
Mike Moody: He's gonna die, yeah. But for me, what makes a show come alive,
Mike Moody: despite these tropes that I've seen before, and I hate tropes.
Mike Moody: I want something original, you know?
Mike Moody: But, you know, for me, I still like the show because despite these tropes,
Mike Moody: what makes the show come alive for me is the amazing texture and the specificity of it all.
Mike Moody: Like the gangsters meet up with a corrupt official at Cottonmouth's Club.
Mike Moody: it's intercut with that great rafael sadiq
Mike Moody: performance you're not going to see that on network tv right uh
Mike Moody: the gun deal gone horribly wrong it's also intercut with one of those performances
Mike Moody: the barbershop scene that opens up the the episode it does not it doesn't hold
Mike Moody: our hand doesn't guide us gently into this new world it just drops us right
Mike Moody: in with these characters you know talking these deep sports references and stuff and and i.
Nate Bliss: Still just as a as a as a a geek i still don't understand.
Mike Moody: I don't it's like they.
Nate Bliss: Said kobe at one point it's like i know who.
Mike Moody: Kobe bryant is i know who jackson is i know but the
Mike Moody: but the show just dives right into the specific personalities that make
Mike Moody: this place come alive and i really like that like the giant
Mike Moody: biggie picture in cotton mouse office sure it's kind of ridiculous
Mike Moody: but it kind of tells you what that guy's all about a
Mike Moody: little bit you know and also it's this beautiful like visual like
Mike Moody: all the scenes in cotton mouse office and those violent scenes
Mike Moody: reminded me a lot about a lot of like um spike lee
Mike Moody: movies you know yeah sure and i think all that stuff those those are marks of
Mike Moody: an auteur and judging by this pilot i think they got the right guy to run this
Mike Moody: show cheo coker uh he wrote the biggie smalls biopic notorious uh he wrote a
Mike Moody: number of episodes of that show southland on tnt and.
Martin Thomas: The wire i think.
Mike Moody: It was he yeah okay cool some.
Martin Thomas: Episodes of the wire.
Mike Moody: If the show is still relying on those tropes in this first episode and you guys
Mike Moody: have seen more so you're kind of looking at me like,
Mike Moody: maybe continues to do that, which kind of sucks, but we'll see.
Nate Bliss: It does feel like every time a trope happens, there should be like a little ding, a little ticker.
Martin Thomas: If you've made it a drinking game, you'd pass out before the show was over.
Nate Bliss: I don't think it would be that, I don't think it's that bad,
Nate Bliss: but it does seem as if like there are quite a few.
Nate Bliss: But for me, I'm a sucker for when a show or a movie really takes its time to
Nate Bliss: show a neighborhood or a sense of place.
Mike Moody: You know?
Nate Bliss: Sure. I won't say it's as good as this show, but it made me think of Treme.
Nate Bliss: Treme is a great show. And I'm not saying Luke Cage is as good as Treme,
Nate Bliss: but with the music and with this neighborhood and all these very wide...
Nate Bliss: And more characters get introduced in subsequent episodes.
Mike Moody: I love the setting. I love the specificity of the setting. I love that the show
Mike Moody: is taking time to world build.
Mike Moody: yeah and world build based on a world or
Mike Moody: a culture that is real in 2016 yeah sure
Mike Moody: it's this heightened version of harlem i've never been to harlem but
Mike Moody: i don't imagine it's everything is bathed in this beautiful
Mike Moody: golden light right you know like the show is you know
Mike Moody: but the show uh and cheo coker is i think doing a great job in expanding and
Mike Moody: deepening the mcu because you know I never thought we would see a deep story
Mike Moody: rooted in the political and criminal structures of Harlem based in the MCU.
Mike Moody: I think that's great. That doesn't mean this is a great show.
Mike Moody: It means that's a good effort.
Martin Thomas: I give you that.
Mike Moody: Yeah. I think what's happening, from my perspective, the show in this first
Mike Moody: episode is trying to do two things.
Mike Moody: And maybe it's going to be a problem going forward.
Mike Moody: It's trying to world build.
Mike Moody: Almost like Treme. Almost like The Wire.
Mike Moody: But it's also trying to tell a specific story about one dude. Yeah.
Martin Thomas: True.
Mike Moody: The reluctant hero finding his power. Now, it seems like Cheo Coker is really
Mike Moody: in love with creating this Harlem, which is amazing, and which leads to some really nice sequences.
Mike Moody: But then it seemed to me Luke Cage himself was a bit of an afterthought.
Nate Bliss: It was almost like we were just kind of just a fly on his shoulder.
Martin Thomas: On his shoulder.
Mike Moody: There you go.
Nate Bliss: Kind of like watching, like earlier in the episode where he meets Misty,
Nate Bliss: we haven't talked about Misty yet.
Mike Moody: Right.
Nate Bliss: I really like Misty.
Mike Moody: Me too.
Martin Thomas: Did that get revealed in the first episode?
Martin Thomas: misty oh good see good see thank you for thank you all right oh.
Mike Moody: We know she's misty knight okay all right all right i'm looking at imdb right
Mike Moody: now and it says she's misty knight okay because that.
Martin Thomas: That didn't get revealed to the second episode.
Mike Moody: You're right you're right thank you yeah right here simone missick as misty
Mike Moody: knight okay 13 episodes all right it's all good oh but you're looking at.
Martin Thomas: Imdb that's cheating.
Mike Moody: Well i'm glad you brought her up man because my favorite i mean my My favorite
Mike Moody: sequence in this whole pilot was Luke flirting with Misty Knight.
Mike Moody: Luke going to bed with Misty Knight.
Martin Thomas: Yeah.
Mike Moody: Luke waking up the next day. Are they going to hook up again?
Mike Moody: Who knows? You know, she's taking charge. I think they have a lot of chemistry. I really do.
Martin Thomas: Well, it's an interesting thing because I'm watching it. I didn't check IMDB first.
Martin Thomas: And I just like the idea that, hey, he picked up this chick in the bar.
Mike Moody: Gotcha.
Martin Thomas: Who he's working as a dishwasher.
Nate Bliss: Yeah.
Martin Thomas: And a bartender.
Nate Bliss: He's a bartender all the time.
Martin Thomas: Right, right.
Nate Bliss: He was just covering that night.
Martin Thomas: But he still picks her up and they go back to her place and they do it.
Martin Thomas: And he goes on about his business.
Martin Thomas: And I was like, oh, that's kind of cool. And then, okay, she's a cop.
Martin Thomas: I'm not even thinking Misty Knight because Misty was, well, I mean,
Martin Thomas: maybe she was at some point. But in comics, she's always been a private detective.
Martin Thomas: And her big signature is what?
Mike Moody: The arm.
Martin Thomas: No. No? No.
Mike Moody: Oh, the afro.
Martin Thomas: The afro.
Mike Moody: The afro. The afro.
Martin Thomas: And even if you say like, well, they're updating it because that was the 70s.
Martin Thomas: But I'm like, no, black women are back to wearing afros now.
Martin Thomas: It's actually really chic.
Martin Thomas: So I was just like, oh, why would you not have that in here? It's frustrating.
Mike Moody: Okay, so.
Nate Bliss: Part of me wonders if the NYPD has a rule against afros or something.
Nate Bliss: Well, no, because the military has incredibly stringent hair.
Nate Bliss: Right. But I'm wondering.
Mike Moody: It's the cops, man. I don't know.
Nate Bliss: And she's a detective.
Martin Thomas: She can wear what she wants.
Mike Moody: She can do whatever she wants, yeah.
Nate Bliss: Yeah, you're right, once you become a detective, you can just do whatever you want.
Mike Moody: Well Martin, I think earlier I cut you off, man, because you were wanting to
Mike Moody: dive into some, more of the problems you had with the premiere, so.
Martin Thomas: Oh, well, I mean, I'm not gonna.
Mike Moody: Talk some shit, Martin.
Martin Thomas: I don't want to be over the same problems. Okay, something you talked about
Martin Thomas: was how much you love the intercutting of the performance on stage with the violence going on.
Mike Moody: I like that.
Martin Thomas: But you probably don't watch Empire, do you?
Mike Moody: I watched the first season. I dropped off second season.
Martin Thomas: I know.
Mike Moody: They do that.
Martin Thomas: Man, wasn't that- I don't know. Didn't they end that first season so horribly?
Mike Moody: Yeah.
Martin Thomas: The first season was, I was like, I wasn't going to watch it. And I did.
Martin Thomas: And we got to where we would all gather on a TV and enjoy it.
Martin Thomas: And it got to that last episode. And man, did it ever shit the bed.
Nate Bliss: Oh, really?
Martin Thomas: It was like a seventh episode season where all the characters are doing things
Martin Thomas: that they would never do.
Nate Bliss: Yes. Indeed.
Martin Thomas: And I was just like, all right, I'm done.
Nate Bliss: On i know that show has i mean some a lot of my friends watch that show and
Nate Bliss: they basically say it's so crazy it's it's bonkers it's it's a black telenovela
Nate Bliss: okay totally oh so it goes it goes as far as a telenovela oh sure yeah okay
Nate Bliss: all right yeah this is it's like falcon crest but crazy yeah yeah all right it's.
Martin Thomas: Just like what can we do to make the audience go.
Nate Bliss: Whoa okay but we.
Mike Moody: Gotta make them tweet.
Martin Thomas: Right right right but from the time that empire was good i I see a lot of those
Martin Thomas: things happening in Luke Cage.
Martin Thomas: Like I said, Mike, you're so hopeful that it makes me want to go,
Martin Thomas: all right, just hang in there.
Martin Thomas: I'm a little worried. I mean, a part of it was I felt I was kind of set up just
Martin Thomas: because the early reviews came in talking about how good it was,
Martin Thomas: how it was probably the best of the Marvel shows.
Martin Thomas: So I was trying not to have those expectations.
Mike Moody: They were high.
Martin Thomas: Yes, but they were high. And so, yeah, I'm going to have to come down quite a bit.
Martin Thomas: i'm only three in and i thought well
Martin Thomas: maybe it picks up but i keep reading things with
Martin Thomas: different things from people now now that now the reviews are
Martin Thomas: starting to be mixed and there's people who say like oh it's really
Martin Thomas: great up until the seventh episode and like oh okay uh
Martin Thomas: but just speaking on what i've seen so far or in trying to like back my memory
Martin Thomas: up just to the first episode i recognize the things in there that are good they
Martin Thomas: don't seduce me as much as everybody else so i'm still I still just think story,
Martin Thomas: structure, and dialogue.
Martin Thomas: Those are always the two things I'm looking for. And pacing.
Martin Thomas: I feel like I don't mind something being deliberate or even being slow.
Martin Thomas: I don't have an ADD sense of pace with things.
Mike Moody: I'm with you on that.
Martin Thomas: But I feel like in moving slow, it's okay to not have anything happen as long
Martin Thomas: as what's happening is the things your characters are saying back and forth to each other.
Martin Thomas: And a lot of the way it's being filmed, almost never do I see a scene where
Martin Thomas: the camera's there, except for the barbershop scene.
Martin Thomas: After that, there's hardly a scene where the camera's in one place and characters
Martin Thomas: talk back and forth to each other.